Jiglu: BLOKART-NZ: Discussion: Lets keep a sense of humour here!

Hey Hot Dog,

Just got back from down south so still catching up with all the latest diatribe. Looks like I ruffled your feathers, not quite sure how? (possibly standing on a beach in 35knots?) Sorry, but could not decipher the last part of your first paragraph (too many big words in a row for me).

To my knowledge, there is no international push to sail in light airs (at what point is an air light?), BUT the 5.5 does open up the opportunity to blokart more often. Now that can not be a bad thing, surely?

Line honours????? Not sure, but if you are suggesting that's all I care about then I have to say, I resemble, I mean, I resent that statement!!!

Seriously, I have no need, desire or wish to beat another sailor by using a bigger sail.

I am working on another development to create a 7 metre rig! Check out attached photo.

But you must take my point about the difficulty in achieving the 8 for 10 wind requirement.(this comes from practical experience at several international events) In absolute reality, it is very, very hard to achieve.

Blokarting is much more than just racing. It's about being out there, sailing and having fun. I'm still not sure, but I think we agree on that??

5.5's don't 'rule' anything, but they do allow more fun, more often.

Eventually, the apparent horror/ shock of the introduction of this new sail will soften, and we will all have them as part of the wardrobe. When that happens we can set lower wind requirements and sail more often. Until then, 8 for 10 is the rule!

Now that 35 knot beach challenge.

Name the place, time and sail selection.

Your's in fun Blokarting,

Theo

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hales
To: ...
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: [blokart] BBC Race Day Results

Hi Theo,
Your comments come from a much more experienced and broader perspective on BK racing than most of us. Mine come from a very sustained competitive environment where handicapping applies so performance improvements related to skill and technique are rewarded.
My view is not relevant if there is an international need to persevere with BK racing in light airs and line honours is all there is.
I guess 5.5’s rule so regretfully for now at least, bye bye!
Catch you on a beach sometime in 35knots!
Hot Dog
From:Theo Vondervoort [mailto:...]
Sent: Monday, 12 May 2008 10:11 p.m.
To: ...; ...
Subject: Re: [blokart] BBC Race Day Results
Hi Bruce and all,
Good call Bruce. Yes I like the KISS principle also. Some more points to add.

1/The 5.5 was developed at the request of Blokart sailors, mostly from the US where they started building their own so they could sail 40% more of the time.

2/It is a Blokart designed and developed accessory, and compliments the existing range of sails. Yes it is probably more suited to us FB's but I know heavys and middles who prefer them in some conditions. Top US sailor, Sean Fidler, who is a middle weight, sails with his right up to 15 knots in some conditions and some tracks. They (the US guys) absolutely love them.

3/ Adding the 5.5 to the range, to me, only adds to the choices that one can make and 'making the choice' and all the banter and discussion that goes with it, is part of the fun of Blokarting. For the sport to grow, and keep our enthusiasm, constant R&D is required. We're getting that. Let's be greatful!

4/ Re the windspeed, ie 8 knots sustained for minimum of 10 minutes, yes in principal I agree, but given that, then at the European Champs in Belgium and Aussie open at Yepoon last year and the PACRIM at Lake LeFroy the year before , we would not have had half the races we did (in some cases no races at all), because it could suddenly drop to 5 -6 knots or less for a short time, then back up to 10 or more knots very soon after but a full 8 for 10 was very hard to get. It was just the nature of the type of wind we had.

5/ What I am saying is don't rule yourselves out of having some great racing just because you can't get 8 knots continuous for 10 minutes, but look at the general habit of the wind at the time and make the call from that. In the event of complete wind loss during the race, which we all know about and have been frustrated by, then my call would be that when the leading Blokart comes to a complete stop or needs to scuff tyres to keep going, then that's the race over. KISS??

Now, all of this, I'm sure you all know, has got nothing to do with the fact I have got a 5.5.

Happy Blokarting,

Regards,

Theo

----- Original Message -----
From:Bruce Hales
To:...
Sent:Monday, May 12, 2008 3:06 PM
Subject:RE: [blokart] BBC Race Day Results
Hi Grant 2
I was very voluble about 5.5s and preserving minimum wind speeds at competitions earlier this year but at the risk of being boring here goes:
1. KISS
2. Don’t change the rules to include or exclude 5.5 metre sails – that means don’t change the minimum wind speed or kart specifications.
3. Then the 5.5 is just another sail in the suite and permitted under the rules – After all - this is not different from the heavier karters choosing to race with a 4 metre sail while light weights are out there doing perfectly well with their 3 metres
4. IF you are going to change the rules to limit or exclude 5.5s then you may as well do the same for Ultras and any other new equipment that comes along that helps increase speed.
5. IF you change the wind speed rule so we have to have 5.5s to compete – bye bye!!
Rgds
Drag Dog!
From:Blo Kart [mailto:...]
Sent: Monday, 12 May 2008 1:52 p.m.
To: ...
Subject: Re: [blokart] BBC Race Day Results
Hi Richard,
The local rule p[ermitted unter the IBRA will probably mean that a minimum wind speed will take dare of the 5.5m sails making 8 knots over 10 minutes at Brucce Pulman Park for example sailable for the Super heavies but no advantage for the lightweights. So far not enough 5.5s racing internationally to get any real experience or feedback from the IBRA.
We have this on the agenda for the next BAI (NZ) meeting, so any feedback from sailors would be most welcome.
Wind was better at BPP yesteray with 10–12 knots and a few holes but excellent sailing with a lot of newbies and not a 5.5 in sight. Great pace past the Rugby club both ways and "around the mountain" sorting out the drag racers fron the sailors – eh Hot Dog! & Jenny A few 3 wheel drifts at speed through the light gravel coating on the new road and not a single puncture! Trevor and Blair even got some pace from the Shadow, and the hirees all had super big grins – well done Ray!
Cheers
Zorro
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